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Friday
Apr052013

Results of My Kratom Experiment 

This post is a follow-up to an article I wrote on Forbes entitled, The Kratom Experiment Begins.

First, I should explain why I am publishing this piece here instead of Forbes.  When I wrote the original piece, I mentioned that I would be using Lucky Kratom brand capsules for the evaluation. This set off a cascade of comments and emails telling me that I was making a mistake limiting myself to that brand, for a variety of reasons.

At the same time, several Kratom distributors contacted me offering free samples to use during my evaluation.  I decided to accept samples from three of these companies:

Mayan Kratom

Nutmeg Kratom

Online Kratom

Because I accepted these free samples, I felt it was no longer ethical to write the follow-up article on Forbes -- a venue for which I am paid to write.  Instead I chose to move the follow-up here, to The Daily Brain, a blog I own and derive exactly zero compensation from.

I am grateful to each of the companies that supplied samples, because they enabled me to conduct a much more thorough evaluation than would have been possible with only one brand (Lucky Kratom – a product I paid for myself, I should add).

Having said that, I will not be comparing products from different companies in this post. That was never my intention. Rather, I will simply provide you with my personal experience with the products in general. 

The two forms of Kratom I experimented with were powder and capsules. I also experimented with a variety of strains and “fusions” of different strains and extracts.  Generally speaking, I took Kratom in the morning, usually mixed with a small amount of orange juice. 

I did not experience a tremendous difference between strains, although the fusions that contained extracts were consistently more potent. Because the extracts lead to quicker tolerance, I spaced out my usage and tried to stick to regular strains most of the time.  I especially liked Bali, Maeng Da and Green Thai. 

Now for the effects.

My overall takeaway is that Kratom has a two-tiered effect. Initially it provides a burst of energy very similar to a strong cup of coffee.  Unlike coffee, however, the energy I derived from Kratom was longer-lasting and level.  My experience with coffee is that the initial burst is strong but it tapers and descends rapidly, leading to the well-known caffeine crash. The energy from Kratom, on the other hand, would often last for three or four hours, but was subtle enough that at no point did I feel like I was jumping out of my skin. I also did not experience an energy crash with any of the Kratom products I sampled. 

The second-tier effect was relaxing, but fell short of being sedating. I never felt sleepy while taking Kratom, but I did experience a level relaxation that was pleasant, and balanced out the initial energy-boosting effects nicely. 

As to side effects, I can’t say that I experienced any worth noting. A few times I noticed that my eyes were bloodshot after I used a fusion containing an extract, but that was not a consistent side effect and it never obscured my vision, nor did it seem related to any other drawbacks. 

As to the difference between capsules and powder, I noticed that the powder worked faster, but the capsules seemed to be generally as effective, though with somewhat delayed effects. That makes perfect sense since it takes the stomach a bit longer to break down the gelatin containing the powder. 

My biggest concern with most of the products I sampled is that it’s not easy to nail down the specific amount to take. I used “bakers spoons” that indicated how many grams a spoonful contained, but I’d strongly recommend anyone who wants to take the product long-term to invest in a decent-quality digital kitchen scale. I am indebted to several people who have sold Kratom for years for offering free advice on how to arrive at the correct amount for my body type (I'm six feet, 225 lbs with an athletic build). 

In my case, about three grams was adequate to induce an effect, but I have been told by several regular Kratom users that amounts vary greatly by person.  I can’t make any recommendations on the “right” amount to use. I simply experimented with amounts (guided by the advice I mentioned) until I found one that worked well for me. 

My overall comment on Kratom is that it’s a lot like good coffee, but with a more even, long-lasting energy effect, and a much more pleasant “finish.” 

As to the results of stopping usage, I can tell you without hyperbole that getting off coffee is a far worse experience than getting off Kratom. I was able to stop taking Kratom for three days and at most I experienced a bit of sluggishness that wore off in a day or so.  Withdrawal from coffee, for me, includes at minimum two days of excruciating headaches that make me want to rip trees from the ground and toss them through store windows (something I've never actually done, mind you). Suffice to say, caffeine withdrawal is significantly worse than Kratom withdrawal, if it can even be called "withdrawal." There's no comparison whatsoever. 

Having now experienced the product myself for a number of weeks, I can see no reason why it should be banned, or on what basis such a product would be banned if people can walk into a typical coffee shop and buy an enormous cup of an addictive substance that’s arguably more potent than any Kratom available anywhere.

If you have any questions about my experience or would simply like to discuss further, please feel free to email me: 

disalvowrites [at] gmail.com

You can also leave a comment on this post. 

*A note on quoting from or reprinting/reposting this piece: overall I am flexible on reposts, but please contact me ahead of time by email to let me know when and where you'd like to repost. Thanks in advance.  

David DiSalvo's newest book, Brain Changer, is now available at Amazon and Barnes and Noble

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You know, there is alot of misinformed bad press about kratom right now. I wish you would put your article in a larger forum. People need to see what you have experienced. Or else kratom will no longer be available to people who use for issues chronic fatigue. Please reconsider sharing your experience to a larger audience. It is the right thing to do, especially since your original article brought so much attention to it. There is so much negative press, regarding kratom even thought it has helped thousands of people. The negative press seems to be always based in inaccurate rumors and no facts or real experiences of kratom use reported.

I do want to say thank you for being a real reporter with integrity. The world would be so much better with more reporters like yourself.

April 5, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterAndrew

First off- I know I'm going to get all kinds of crap for my comment but here goes... I have been an avid user of opiates for many years. I have arthritis and always had access to pretty much anything I wanted, and I abused that access. I didn't take them every day but I took them most days and came to a point where I would buy them off the "streets." A friend told me about a magical plant that gave you similar effects to Vicodin, Percocet or whatever opiates (never messed with the hard stuff). I immediately went to goole to find where I could buy this magical plant... I found it and I fell in love. I have been taking kratom every day just about since (a little over a year).I am 100% addicted to kratom. Kratom is natural, it is better than chemicals but it can be equally as addicting as a painkiller. If I don't get my shipment in time and i'm out a day I feel sick, i get cold sweats, and my body aches. All symptoms of opiate withdrawal. I don't know what dangers there are exactly of taking kratom but I do know I'm not alone in being an addict.Just google it... I'm addict to plant matter. I'm not bashing kratom, as I absolutely love it and I truly believe there are benefits but there also needs to be precaution with using it. I know at some point I'm going to need help to stop eating a plant and i don't want to see that happen to others. Enjoy the magical plant, but be careful.

April 5, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterSara

This is in response to Sara... I ask you if you (Sara), if you stopped taking opiates for a few months/weeks before going to kratom? Or if you just switched over to kratom and never dealt with the opiate addiction?

I have taken kratom for years for chronic fatigue and I have am able to go weeks without it . If I am without a shipment of kratom I may be tired and a lot less energetic if I don't have it, but its very similar to going without coffee if you have been a coffee drinker for years. The benefits of kratom have helped with pain issues for me so I have a better quality of life. But I have never ever experienced any withdrawal symptoms like what you have described when I am without kratom.

I am not discounting your experience at all, but I just wanted to add my experience with Kratom as well.

April 5, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterAndrew

David I love you! Thank you so much for doing this! You are the first honest news media person! It was a pleasure to send you Mayan Kratom! I will do it for you any time you ever want it and you never owe me a dime! Thank you so much brother for telling the truth about kratom! One love! Contact me anytime www.mayankratom.com

April 5, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterWesley Todd

I'm glad you mentioned that kratom is a lot like coffee, but without the crash and with longer effects. That's exactly how I described it to my friends, and I believe it has medicinal values as well. This article should get more publicity as there's a decent amount of negative publicity against kratom. Thank you for spending the time to research this, hopefully this will lead to further studies!

April 5, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterElbert Belk

Thank you for actually trying it! It is not the type of dangerous drug some try to make it out to be!

April 5, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterRob

Very honest and good write up. There is a lot of misrepresentation of kratom and to the first post, although its not on the Forbes website there is a link on the Forbes website to read this. That is how I found this article. I wish more people did the research and experimented like you did. I was hooked on opiates before I found kratom, I used for about two months and stopped and didn't experience withdrawals. I ended up signing up for the navy to get away from my old environment. I am out of the navy now and still use kratom a few times a week and don't abuse it and have been opiate clean for 7 years this past November. If used right this is a completely harmless and use full leaf. With anything if u are irresponsible with it, it can cause some kind of dependency. I feel it is more of a mental dependency though, I took it for two months strait and when I stopped I felt the same way, just a little sluggish. Good job on this article and I'll be reading more of your work. U gained all of my respect!

April 5, 2013 | Unregistered Commenterdavid

I agree with everything in the article, and I agree with the comments of both Andrew and Sara. On the one hand, Kratom is very mild and can be compared to coffee, and on the other it is very relaxing and euphoric. The negative press for Kratom is extraordinary, and I think it is wrong. People, including doctors, compare it to heroin, and politicians want to ban it because they think it will ravage the lives of teenagers everywhere. But, I highly doubt that there are many teenagers who would be willing to pay for such a mild buzz, and those who do probably aren't in much danger unless they happen to be allergic (something that can happen with peanuts).

Kratom is not intoxicating like alcohol or MJ, and it doesn't not produce a dangerous dream state like heavy opiates. However, for those of us who suffer chronic pain and who have been habituated to hydrocodone or codeine, it does create the same euphoric feeling. I think there is a misconception that opiate med users need to get wasted, but that is not the case. The euphoric feeling is what causes us to run out of our prescriptions early, because we take our pills not only as needed to kill pain, but also because they make everything feel better by reducing anxiety and stress and depression for a few hours. There have been times in the past when I couldn't even read a book or watch a television sitcom if I wasn't under the influence of opiate pain meds. That's when you know that you are addicted to opiates, when daily living is anxious and miserable unless you are under the influence.

That's when Kratom is a Godsend. Because you can replace your opiate habit with a kratom habit, and you can beat your opiate addiction with the help of kratom. It really works. But, be cautious. Once you beat your opiate addiction and haven't popped pills for a month or two, if you are still using kratom on a daily basis, then trying to stop using kratom is also very difficult. Like Sara reports, if you stop using kratom abruptly, or you run out early, you will most likely feel sick and anxious, and you might feel fatigue and body aches and serious depression. No different than if you ran out of your codeine two weeks before you could get a refill.

So please use kratom with caution. Try not to use it every day. Use it as a PRN for pain or anxiety. I hope that someday there will be enough research done on kratom that we know conclusively that it is safe, and that it doesn't cause tissue or organ damage when used on a daily basis. If that turns out to be the case, then I don't think a daily habit would be a bad thing. It would probably save lives.

April 5, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterCharles

David, thanks for taking the time to do the research. You have helped the industry immensely for trying to do more then just scare some parents into reading or watching a news segment. At the root of the problem, are these self proclaimed drug counselors who are nothing of the sort ,spewing false information. I respect real drug counselors, they fight a daily battle helping some people in tremendous need. But the legal highs have created a whole new industry of charlatans, praying on parents fears and convincing them that their son needs $5,000 in treatment immediately because that bottle of kratom mom found in Johnnies room is more addictive then heroin. If you really want to do a story, do some research on these "Drug Counselors" and how they are using the media to convince parents of the dangers that really don't exist. Again thanks for the article and if anyone would like more information about kratom please visit our blogs at Kratora

April 6, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterKratora

Thank you for being honest and unbiased. Your dedication to creating a fair experiment may lead to a more relaxed and balanced look at this substance. Too much fake bad articles have reared their heads at such a wonderful plant. Thank you again, and I hope that you have gained some much needed incite to the false publicity this stuff is getting right now.

April 6, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterWill

I am so impressed with your article, Spoke with somebody several hours about you tonight. We will be talking soon! Congratulations on being legit! One love!

April 6, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterWesley Todd

Thank you so much for writing this article, and giving kratom a fair unbiased evaluation. This herb has saved my life in more ways than one, and if it becomes banned it will be an injustice to personal liberty on a monumental scale. Great article!

April 6, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterSteve

Great post, very pleased to read a truthful review from someone who took the time to learn that this is not a harmful plant. Thanks for the positive article about a wonderful medicine. I wish more media reports were like this. Glad you enjoyed it!

April 6, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterT McKenna

I have to agree with the post that Sara above wrote about Kratom being a great alternative and helpful for many people, but it can become EXTREMELY addictive for many people, just as much as other opiates. I can appreciate this report as it seems 100% open and honest and that is what it should be about, not trying to make money. However, I have been living with someone who has had addiction problems in the past and now has an addiction problem to Kratom. If the Kratom doesn't arrive in the mail when it is supposed to this person will get body aches, cold sweats, and extremely bad headaches. The person whom I live with and is addicted to Kratom relates it to being addicted to percocet or other strong pain pills that are NOT easy to come off of. This person has also been wanting to get off Kratom for about the last year or so but it so hard when you become dependent on it to do your everyday tasks. It is easy to say next week or tomorrow I will get off of it. I am just writing this so more people become aware of the different spectrums of users out there, some people don't have addiction problems and might be able to use Kratom sparingly and while others with addiction problems might be come highly addicted to Kratom and rely on it to function on a day to day basis.

April 6, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterJane

Jane- I appreciate your response. Thats exactly what happens to me. The funny thing is... NO ONE knows I have a problem except my significant other. I have a good job and go to one of the top research colleges in the U.S. I almost feel like River Phoenix sometimes... I have a squeaky clean image, I'm driven and very functioning and I've even helped others with dependencies. Also, kratom is the only thing I touch. I smoke sometimes to help with insomnia (especially if I don't have kratom, insomnia is another lovely withdrawal side effect) but I RARELY drink and don't touch any hard drugs. With that being said, I've decided when the semester is over to seek treatment. There are websites that have resources for kratom addiction and I'm mustering up the strength to call. Even writing these comments is a huge step for me.
Andrew- I was not heavily taking opiates before I took kratom. I abused them but I never experienced withdrawal symptoms if I didn't have them. And at that point I hadn't had any scripts in awhile only got them from "friends' at times. Main reason I sought the magical plant! Also, now that I have discovered kratom I could care less about opiates! My love affair with kratom is so much deeper than any other opiate. I'm sure my underlying love for opiates causes me more problems than others.
David- I should have said, this was a fantastic article. I am a PR student and am doing some journalism as well and I love that you actually did this experiment for your story! Kudos! Again everyone, I do believe kratom can be helpful. I know it's helped many but not me. I would believe it's safe to say.. If you have an addictive personality or abused substances in the past, stay the hell away from this plant!

April 6, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterSara

Impressive journalism. I'm not a user of kratom but I think you choosing to move your results to your blog ( because you received
Samples) was an excellant choice and fair to your readers. I don't think alot of journalists would ( or necessarily should) use their own bodies to test an unkniwn substance to inform your readers as best as you could. Good for you sir.

April 6, 2013 | Unregistered Commenterheather

Well done sir, well done.

April 6, 2013 | Unregistered Commenterkratomkrusader

David, thank you for doing this.

Ive been experimenting with kratom for over a year and Ive found it to have a number of benefits. I suffer from anxiety, depression and a mild case of ADHD. When I take kratom my social anxiety is greatly reduced and my overall sense of well being is increased. This is huge for me because its allowed me to start doing things Ive always wanted to do, such as starting conversations with strangers or approaching a cute girl. I take it when I need to focus on a task as well. Im in insurance which can be very tedious, kratom helps me focus on the repetitive paperwork without getting flustered or distracted.

I used to drink to get over my social anxiety, but the drinking got out of hand and just increased my anxiety and depression over time. I live in California and have a medical marijuana card, it has helped with some of my depression issues but it also triggers my anxiety. I have an extremely addictive personality so when I start using alcohol I always end up overdoing it, which leads to more anxiety and depression. Its a vicious cycle. I have considered taking anti depressants but my research into other peoples experiences sound more horrific than the anxiety and depression I already have. I exercise and eat healthy, which helps out a great deal but I still suffer from anxiety and its had a paralyzing effect on my social life.

I am able to take kratom on an as needed basis. I can take it for a few days and then stop for a few and feel fine. Im much better at abstaining than I am at moderating, fortunately kratom is not an issue for me. I realize everyone is different, but I was compelled to say something because I dont believe everyone who has an addictive personality is going to abuse kratom.

Im not claiming that kratom is the be all and end all solution to my problems. I believe that when used in conjunction with a healthy lifestyle this herb can be a life changer, especially for those suffering from anxiety that is not brought on by any specific event.

I think the bad rap this herb has unnecessarily earned is BS. More people could benefit from it if it didnt have all the negative associations. What I would like to see happen is kratom moving away from the the smoke shops and into health stores, because thats where it belongs. It needs to stop being marketed as some type of legal high. I think more articles like this would help people form a more balanced opinion and help give kratom a better chance at mainstream acceptance. I could totally see kratom becoming accepted in the same way kava has.

Thanks again David.

April 6, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterPaul

I think some people posting their horrible withdrawals stories or those of a friend are really just trying to make it out to be something that it isn't. Yes u can get addicted, it is nowhere like a perc or oxy habit. The only way I see that happening is if they completely abuse it and take 50 or more grams a day which is ridiculous if they do. When I used it to get off opiates I was taking anywhere from 20-40 grams a day for two months strait and stopped with barely any withdrawals no problem. So that obviously shows its not like real opiates, because I was not able to just stop cold turkey with opiates. These people are either not being honest and still taking opiates with kratom or are just a part of the smear campaign. If u are abusing it to where u are having those withdrawals u should not be touching any substance because u obviously have some problems.

April 6, 2013 | Unregistered Commenterdavid

David, I applaud your ethics, just like most have so far. In a world full of paid journalists, radical papparazzi, un-paid bloggers, etc., you have shown the highest level of integrity, intellegence, and well..........cajones. These subjects and personal experiments are treated as taboo by most of modern society. Just ask Sasha Shulgin.

I must point out after using that reference however, that he was indeed using some highly psychoactive compounds (Some quite scary) built in a laboratory, not a leaf off a tree. The similarity is that he was willing to use himself as a guinea pig, because he believed that he could help humanity become something better, and I'd like to think you feel the same.

While I'm not sure what your intentions were at the beginning of all this (Comparing Kratom to Mephedrone???? Apples and Plutos my friend...), I'd like to think that you were not trying to be a sensationalist. I could not be more proud of you for how your intentions eventually became. In this day and age of access to once far off lands (And their indigenous medicine), it is vital to society as a whole that we take what others have learned over thousands of years and study them world wide.

In the early 90's a movie was made called "Medicine Man". Sean Connery played a rogue scientist looking to find a cure for cancer in the Amazon. He eventually found it, but it was lost because of impending modernization in the area (ie, they burned the village to the ground to make a highway). It was fairly successful, but what most people don't know is that it very well may have been a true story.

Wilburn H Ferguson was a scientist that spent much of the 1930's through the 1950's in the Amazon working on the very same thing (In fact, he eventually sued the filmmakers for using his life story). He was convinced that he had indeed found a cure. He worked for years to have the medical establishment acknowledge his work. That never happened though.....

Because plant extracts cannot be patented, they do not provide enough of a future revenue stream to justify the expense of research and development to big pharma; even back then........

Did it actually work? I don't know, because no one ever bothered to find out..............

American medicine would like to have you believe that their chemicals are the cure for all of the worlds woes. Hence the barrage of ad campaigns since the 90's (After the FDA finally bowed down to them of course), retreats for doctors (Who tend to get an hour long presentation, a box full of free samples, and a suite with a complimentary ski lift pass), and the consolidation of medical care in America (The only first world nation without nationalized health care mind you). People these days tend to buy into the propaganda without any hesitation or skepticism.

American capitalism provided for us for many years (Though one could argue (convincingly) that it was simply a series of wars very far away that put us in our position), but those years have gone by. We now sit with an ever increasing population, and a decreasing value of productivity, intelligence, and overall well-being. In other words, Americans have become fat, stupid, and lazy. Feeling down? Pop a pill. Feeling unproductive? Pop a pill. Feeling too energetic? (kids especially) Pop a pill. But don't you dare take more than than we prescribe.

We have come to live in a country who's fundamental (and surreally worshipped) idealism is based upon hipocracy in order to fuel the machine. In other words, America has become a Ponzi scheme (In more ways than one). We pass on massive debt to our children (Who increasingly show little or no care, therefore are ill equipped to deal with such things), and expect them to behave and think the way that they are told. But if they don't, we incarcerate them (The prison corporatocracy relies on a steady intake of convicts, without that the stockholders suffer you know). The amount of young drug offenders in american prisons is staggering; the irony being that drugs are far more accessible in prisons. Which ultimately leads to increased recidivism and more and more "treatment".

Kratom could actually revolutionize opiate (and possibly other) treatment. Instead of throwing these poor kids in jail , we could simply guide them to a tree that makes them feel themselves again; without the high, without the pain of the low, without the crime, without the desire, etc. After a few months they're just just normal people again, without the Kratom. I've seen it happen. It literally is an herbal cure to opiate addiction. Something that big pharma just does not want to get out.

The only reason that it was banned in it's indigenous country of Thailand (In 1943) is because the Thai governement was making so much money off of opium taxes that they did not want their citizens to stop smoking opium . Greed yet again. The only reason it remains banned?? American pressure on international drug laws.....God forbid the Thai government didn't get their annual stipend from the American coffers.

Big pharma makes a MASSIVE amount of money each year. Wouldn't the world be better off if they simply operated as a not for profit? Most people have no idea that the lion's share of pain (and many other types of) medications are actually agricultural products. It cost as much to grow an opium poppy as it does a petunia. So why do sick people have to pay HUGE amounts of money for morphine? Big pharma will say that processing opium into it's constituents is a costly process. They are lying of course. Anyone with a relative knowledge of chemistry will back that up. Acid-base extractions (the process used to extract morphine from opium) are among the easiest and cheapest chemistry techniques, because ph can be altered by a dizzying array of chemicals; alot of which are incredibly cheap, and the morphine simply settles out of the solution as a solid. Purification and salt conversion requires only a strong acid (H CL, the most commonly used acid for the process, resulting in morphine hydrochloride, is commonly known as Muriatic acid, used for swimming pools. I must note however that it is diluted for that use, but higher molarity forms are cheap nonetheless)

Big pharma spends a large amount of money on research and development, I'll admit, but for what? Boner pills and Soma (Not the muscle relaxant, the Aldous Huxley version). What if instead of profiting on misery, they actually spent their time trying to do good for the world, even great for the world?

Why doesn't the federal government just stop trying to tell people how to live, but help them live the lifes they want? It seems to me that that is exactly what government is for. It even says so in the constitution.

Nationalize health care, nationalize big pharma, nationalize utilities. Yet, everyone is afraid of the big bad socialist boogeyman. Socialism is NOT communism (Not that communism in and of itself is bad, ask the hippies, they made it work for awhile......Lenin, not so much).

I've lived all over the world, and one of the greatest moments of my life was when I received my NHS card in the post while I was going to school in the UK. No matter what happened, I was looked after. If I couldn't make it to the doctor, he/she came to me. If I needed medicine, it was provided. Some might argue that the medical care was not as adequate as that in the US, but I will forever argue against that notion. Thankfully I had only one serious medical issue while I was there, a knee injury. I had just as much if not more attention than I would have had in the states, yet I went home without debt. Imagine that………

We do not need profit to drive development, if anything, profit negates development because some things (sometimes VERY important things) just are not profitable.

I realize that I am ranting, but I strongly feel that these are things that people should know, ponder, and form their own conclusions from. It does not take a genius to realize that we (The USA) as a society are failing in very important aspects. Education is as important as economic growth, but no one upstairs seems to care, therefore we have nothing more to look forward to than a gradual decline. We've used up most of our natural reserves, and the world is not getting any friendlier toward us. Mostly because of all the meddling that the US participates in. Why does the american government still insist on being the moral watchdog of the world when quite a few (and growing) of their constituents have no interest in their leader's ideals and frankly just think that they are plain wrong?

Why can't we all just get along?

Morality, spirituality, intoxicology, etc. is a personal choice. Pursuit of happiness means drastically different things to different people, yet it seems that a chosen few are allowed to impose their own form of happiness (or doctrine, religion, thought process, dos and don'ts, etc.) upon the masses.

Somehow, someway, it must end. If not, our descendants will have a future darker than any we could imagine.

Some may say that I am sensationalizing, fear mongering, and behaving just like the system that I am criticising.

Some may question the relevance of my bizarrely all-encompassing comment in such a specific forum.

I just hope someone takes something from it, and that it's meaningful to them.

Again, thank you for being one of the good guys, I wish you long life and prosperity.

Thanks again for doing your job.........properly.

April 6, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterJustin Alderman

Did you try taking larger doses to induce the affect of pain relief? I've found starting at 6 grams gives you the "opiate" pain relief feeling (I'm 120lbs). However must warn it does create tolerance similar to opiates which requires more over time, for the same affect. Also at those levels the withdrawals are more like opiates, but not as bad. I was up to 10 grams twice daily and had opiate like withdrawals for 2-3 days, however you can taper off with no symptoms in a few days. Thanks for the write up! We do need more info before determining law though.

April 7, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterScott

David- As you will note in my post I do not touch opiates anymore or any other hard drugs. I've never experienced any withdrawls from anything until I met kratom. I take nowhere near 50g a day. I used to believe I wanted kratom, not needed kratom. Now I know I need kratom. I am 100% honest in these statements. Everyone is different and everyone reacts differently to different substances. Some people get hooked on cocaine the first time they do it.. others do not. Again, I believe there are many benefits of kratom but it should be used with caution.
I also forgot to mention another positive of kratom, as Scott mentioned kratom is great for pain relief! It almost always takes away my arthritis pain and it does help with my ADHD. Unfortunately though I can't just take occasionally, I take it daily.

April 7, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterSara

Sara, I have had the same experience as you. I have spinal arthritis and a protruding disc in my low back. Years ago I was prescribed Codeine and Vicodin for pain. I never used large amounts of these meds, but I always took them until my prescription ran out, and I enjoyed the feeling that they gave me. When I ran out of my meds I would feel depressed, and I would constantly think, "I wish I had more." Eventually I would refill my prescription and start the whole process over again. On average I would use about 30 pills per month, but sometimes I would get meds from family or friends. I was never debilitated by drugs, and the pain meds were used in the correct dosage (although sometimes I would take three pills instead of two as prescribed). This pattern went on for years. I was dependent rather than addicted, and I was able to mange just fine. I do not drink or use any other drugs.

The first time I tried Kratom I had not used an opiate in three months. One day my back was hurting, and I typed "legal alternative to Vicodin" into the browser because I didn't want to go to urgent care. Kratom came up. I got some Kratom, but I expected that it wouldn't work. But it did! Very well. In fact, not only did it kill the pain, but it created that "opiate euphoria."

I liked Kratom so much that I used it every day for almost three months. I loved the fact that it made me feel great and killed the back pain without making me feel intoxicated. I would use it once a day in the evening during the first month. Usually about six grams. Then I started to notice that I was having anxiety attacks that would come out of nowhere during the day, and I would sometimes start sweating and aching. At first I didn't tie these symptoms to Kratom, but then I took Kratom during the day and the symptoms were immediately alleviated. So I began taking Kratom two or three times a day in order to stave off the anxiety and pain. I got up to about 18 grams a day, and sometimes wanted more. I tried to go back to taking it only once in the evening, but I couldn't make it that long. Especially if I had to work in the afternoon. I found that I had to take a small dose in the morning to relax, and then after work at night I would be anxious to get home and take a larger dose. So, I took a long weekend, five days, and forced myself to stay away from the Kratom. It was hard. I ached. I was depressed as hell. I was anxious. I will never make the mistake of using it on a daily basis again.

Like you, I see the benefits of Kratom, and I don't want to see it made illegal. I think the effects are mild and not acutely dangerous in any way that I have experienced. I believe that it is a Godsend to opiate addicts, and that it is a way for them to beat addiction. However, I have noticed that the only information I can find online is tied to sites that are selling it. So there are concerns for me:

1. Can it build up and become toxic and therefore dangerous after extended periods of daily use?
2. Do the sellers use clean practices in packaging?
3. Why do proponents seem to be so sure that it causes no harm to any organs?

Therefore, I personally will use Kratom, but I will not tell friends about it because I know that for some it is addictive, and I have no way of getting answers to my other concerns. Again, keep it legal! It is a really helpful leaf. But use caution and be careful.

April 7, 2013 | Unregistered Commentercharles

I just received some in a shipment of other herbs - free sample. I suffer from fibromyalgia and have back issues as well. So I tried this and for the first time in a long time actually slept through the night pain free. I hope it stays around because pain killers and tylenol give me stomach aches and nausea. I have never been addicted to opiates and don't like them -- they make me sick to my stomach -- but have had to resort to them several times when I couldn't even stand up from back pain.

I hope this is safe. I'm buying more!

April 8, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterStef

Personally dissatisfied with Mayan and even more appalled at the guy who owns the company. How unprofessional. It sucks when a product's quality is lessened due to the person who is trying to hock it.

April 8, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterFrank

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