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Friday
Apr052013

Results of My Kratom Experiment 

This post is a follow-up to an article I wrote on Forbes entitled, The Kratom Experiment Begins.

First, I should explain why I am publishing this piece here instead of Forbes.  When I wrote the original piece, I mentioned that I would be using Lucky Kratom brand capsules for the evaluation. This set off a cascade of comments and emails telling me that I was making a mistake limiting myself to that brand, for a variety of reasons.

At the same time, several Kratom distributors contacted me offering free samples to use during my evaluation.  I decided to accept samples from three of these companies:

Mayan Kratom

Nutmeg Kratom

Online Kratom

Because I accepted these free samples, I felt it was no longer ethical to write the follow-up article on Forbes -- a venue for which I am paid to write.  Instead I chose to move the follow-up here, to The Daily Brain, a blog I own and derive exactly zero compensation from.

I am grateful to each of the companies that supplied samples, because they enabled me to conduct a much more thorough evaluation than would have been possible with only one brand (Lucky Kratom – a product I paid for myself, I should add).

Having said that, I will not be comparing products from different companies in this post. That was never my intention. Rather, I will simply provide you with my personal experience with the products in general. 

The two forms of Kratom I experimented with were powder and capsules. I also experimented with a variety of strains and “fusions” of different strains and extracts.  Generally speaking, I took Kratom in the morning, usually mixed with a small amount of orange juice. 

I did not experience a tremendous difference between strains, although the fusions that contained extracts were consistently more potent. Because the extracts lead to quicker tolerance, I spaced out my usage and tried to stick to regular strains most of the time.  I especially liked Bali, Maeng Da and Green Thai. 

Now for the effects.

My overall takeaway is that Kratom has a two-tiered effect. Initially it provides a burst of energy very similar to a strong cup of coffee.  Unlike coffee, however, the energy I derived from Kratom was longer-lasting and level.  My experience with coffee is that the initial burst is strong but it tapers and descends rapidly, leading to the well-known caffeine crash. The energy from Kratom, on the other hand, would often last for three or four hours, but was subtle enough that at no point did I feel like I was jumping out of my skin. I also did not experience an energy crash with any of the Kratom products I sampled. 

The second-tier effect was relaxing, but fell short of being sedating. I never felt sleepy while taking Kratom, but I did experience a level relaxation that was pleasant, and balanced out the initial energy-boosting effects nicely. 

As to side effects, I can’t say that I experienced any worth noting. A few times I noticed that my eyes were bloodshot after I used a fusion containing an extract, but that was not a consistent side effect and it never obscured my vision, nor did it seem related to any other drawbacks. 

As to the difference between capsules and powder, I noticed that the powder worked faster, but the capsules seemed to be generally as effective, though with somewhat delayed effects. That makes perfect sense since it takes the stomach a bit longer to break down the gelatin containing the powder. 

My biggest concern with most of the products I sampled is that it’s not easy to nail down the specific amount to take. I used “bakers spoons” that indicated how many grams a spoonful contained, but I’d strongly recommend anyone who wants to take the product long-term to invest in a decent-quality digital kitchen scale. I am indebted to several people who have sold Kratom for years for offering free advice on how to arrive at the correct amount for my body type (I'm six feet, 225 lbs with an athletic build). 

In my case, about three grams was adequate to induce an effect, but I have been told by several regular Kratom users that amounts vary greatly by person.  I can’t make any recommendations on the “right” amount to use. I simply experimented with amounts (guided by the advice I mentioned) until I found one that worked well for me. 

My overall comment on Kratom is that it’s a lot like good coffee, but with a more even, long-lasting energy effect, and a much more pleasant “finish.” 

As to the results of stopping usage, I can tell you without hyperbole that getting off coffee is a far worse experience than getting off Kratom. I was able to stop taking Kratom for three days and at most I experienced a bit of sluggishness that wore off in a day or so.  Withdrawal from coffee, for me, includes at minimum two days of excruciating headaches that make me want to rip trees from the ground and toss them through store windows (something I've never actually done, mind you). Suffice to say, caffeine withdrawal is significantly worse than Kratom withdrawal, if it can even be called "withdrawal." There's no comparison whatsoever. 

Having now experienced the product myself for a number of weeks, I can see no reason why it should be banned, or on what basis such a product would be banned if people can walk into a typical coffee shop and buy an enormous cup of an addictive substance that’s arguably more potent than any Kratom available anywhere.

If you have any questions about my experience or would simply like to discuss further, please feel free to email me: 

disalvowrites [at] gmail.com

You can also leave a comment on this post. 

*A note on quoting from or reprinting/reposting this piece: overall I am flexible on reposts, but please contact me ahead of time by email to let me know when and where you'd like to repost. Thanks in advance.  

David DiSalvo's newest book, Brain Changer, is now available at Amazon and Barnes and Noble

Reader Comments (124)

Thank you, a thousand times, thank you, for this unbiased review that will hopefully shed the more positive light that kratom deserves. We've seen such a huge rash of terrible publicity that something like this - from a writer for Forbes, no less! - came at the perfect time. I salute your courage. I hope that your readers from Forbes know that this is here so as to hit a wider readership. Education and responsibility are what we need right now.
So, thank you, from Philadelphia - Whose own city's Fox News recently published a not-as-scatching-as-some write-up about kratom.

April 8, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterRichie Beck

I've never heard of Mayan Kratom, but I have ordered from Online Kratom. It was quite weak and overpriced, wouldn't recommend them. I've never actually ordered from Nutmeg Kratom, but I've seen people on a kratom forum I go on say that their maeng da is good. Major Kratom also has good maeng da, but it's expensive.

April 8, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterMatt

Thank you David,

This was a very well written and objective review of Kratom. I have used Kratom for several years for chronic pain. I also have a bone-marrow disease which causes me a lot of pain and many other symptoms. Kratom has helped me immensely. I don't doubt that others have problems with addiction, but I don't seem to have cravings like I used to have with Darvocet.

Kratom is my only recourse at this point. After being addicted to painkillers for 23 years, then having a heart attack at age 44, I turned to Kratom. It is part of my battle to help bring awareness to the right of free choice of this drug before I finally give up the ghost. I am trying to help others with addiction problems to turn to better alternatives.

Thanks again.

April 8, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterLarry Angell

Charles- I'm sorry to hear about your struggles. Your story is very familiar to mine.I dose twice a day, a few grams in the morn before school and then again before I go to work. If I don't have to work I don't always dose. My WD symptoms seem to take a little over 24hrs to kick in, and fortunately they are mostly physical. I may be a little more anxious but it's really bc I'm concerned about how shitty my body feels and how I'm sweating and hot cold hot cold! I'm still able to be social and laughable I just physically feel terrible so it's hard to hide. When I have had to work and I'm WDing I have to tell my coworkers I'm "sick".

I also feel ya on the questions. I have no idea what this plant could be doing to my body! That is the main reason I want to quit... there aren't studies on what this plant does to you and I don't want to be a guinea pig. Charles, do you have any plans to try to stop?

April 9, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterSara

First, I love this plant. That being said, I have had some minor withdrawal symptoms when I don’t have it. Nothing as dramatic as some have stated here – but symptoms nonetheless. The way I see it every action has a counter reaction. Take away my coffee and cigarette in the morning and you’ll see a man possessed. My issue is not whether or not this plant is addictive but why the government feels the need to step in and legislate it’s usage. I’m overwhelmed at the hypocrisy that I’m allowed to patron my local liquor store and purchase enough poison to kill 20 able bodied men, yet, I have to fear that my government might take away a simple leaf that has never been documented in its thousands of years of usage to have killed anyone…ever. Mankind has been using anything & everything to try to fight off all the roadblocks he encounters on the road of life; physically and mentally. If this particular “thing” causes you withdrawal symptoms that you don’t like….then don’t use it. I don’t use cocaine because its illegal, I don’t use it because I don’t like the way it makes me feel. Why not let us trust our own bodies. As far as whether or not it’s healthy, I know that it is. Why? Because after three plus years of drinking Kratom I feel healthy. To quote Bob Dylan - I don’t need a weather man to know which way the wind blows. As anyone who has ever had one to many drinks of alcohol can attest – the following morning one feels everything but healthy! One’s own body will tell you whether something is healthy or not.

I’ll finish with a quote from one of my country’s founding fathers & my hero:

“Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
Abraham Lincoln (1809-65), U.S. President.
Speech, 18 Dec. 1840, to Illinois House of Representatives

April 9, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterEric

Its so refreshing to see a well written, legit and non-propaganda article on Kratom. I have read SO many articles comparing Kratom to Oxy and heroin (of all things). Thanks for speaking the truth!

April 9, 2013 | Unregistered Commenterrochelle

Sara not to discount your experience but I am also a daily user of kratom. I take kratom all throughout the entire day and take it every single day without missing a day. I am completely bolted back together. I had a very bad pain pill need before kratom and the side effects from running out of my meds were terrible. As well as the side effects that I experienced while being on them. They drove me to break the law and buy pain pills illegally on the street and beg my doctors for more. Whom I might add were happy to increase my levels and take the enormous payments for my monthly clinical drug visits. Yes I have pain issues. Serious pain issues from my hips and pelvis entirely bolted back together. I spent months searching for an option other than pain pills and it seemed there was no option until I found kratom. I am so grateful to have found the plant. I have zero side effects from kratom.

April 9, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterWesley Todd

Sara, I also have experienced hot flashes, but I also have had some gastrointestinal issues. These side effects are always much more noticeable after about twelve hours of abstaining from Kratom. My anxiety stems from the fact that we really don't know what Kratom does to organ tissue. I want to know, and I hope that a comprehensive, fair study is done at some point. At this point I can't help but feel nervous. The only information online that I can ever find is tied to seller sites. This makes me really nervous.

I am down to using Kratom two days a week. I really love how good it makes me feel and how well it relieves pain, and I don't want to give it up completely, but I will never go back to using it on a daily basis. I was using plain leaf. Everything I read warned me away from extracts. But when I first tried to taper I could not. If I had Kratom, I used Kratom until it was gone. I realized how big the piles of powder I was ingesting were, and I assumed that my intestinal issues were probably due to this fact. So I bought some extract. I used 1.5 grams in the morning, and 1.5 grams at night for three days, and I began to notice that I was actually feeling better. I think that all of the plain leaf powder builds up and becomes toxic, and that is why we feel sick when we don't use Kratom. When we use Kratom it simply masks the side effects caused by toxicity. So using the extract for a short time actually allowed my body to get rid of some of the toxins that were released by such large amounts of powder. Then I took a five day break and felt so much better. Since then, I rarely have any negative effects when I use Kratom, probably because I'm only using it a couple times of week. My goal is once a week. Eventually only once in awhile.

Writing about these issues on Kratom forums often leads to verbal attacks and insults. The thing is, I believe that Kratom has the potential to save lives, and I don't think that it should be illegal. I'm just sharing my belief that daily use for an extended period of time leads to addiction and toxicity. Our stories are true, and I've read that plenty of other users have had the same experience. I would love to see more evidence that Kratom does little or no harm to our systems. I hope it will be studied, and I hope that it is always available to Wesley and others as a viable alternative powerful pain meds.

Good luck, Sara. Keep us posted on your progress. I know that if you can just get through five days without Kratom you will start to feel better and regain control.

April 10, 2013 | Unregistered Commentercharles

Thanks for your good report on kratom! It would be completely foolish to ban this relatively benign substance, for many reasons:

- The stuff is NOT lethal, unless - theoretically -combined with powerful CNS depressants. If you eat too much, you'll be sick as a dog but you just won't die. It is a very forgiving substance with a ceiling effect comparable to buprenorphine in this respect. It is definitely A LOT safer than heroin or oxy, or even tramadol, when abused... We don't need ''scientific'' studies confirming its safety, centuries of use never caused the growth of a foot on the forehead of kratom enthusiasts dammit! The fact that some of its alkaloids function as agonists for the MOR is no fucking good reason to ban it and be afraid. Kratom is not abusable the way heroin or oxy are, period.

- People wanting to try opiates, who WILL no matter what, out of curiosity, experiment with opiates, would be fortunate to have access to kratom instead of H or oxy. It is hard to give numbers, of course, but I'd be willing to bet a huge chunk of change that an access to kratom would have saved many lives due to overdoses or violence (cos you HAVE to mess with criminal elements if you wanna score H or oxy); and in countries where it is still legal, I'm absolutely sure that it is saving lives right now.

- Kratom is a better alternative than methadone or bupe for addicts wanting to quit and looking for a way to slowly ween themselves of opiates. Kratom in the right quantity will control almost all opiate WD symptoms. Then, when the poor mofo is stabilized, it's ALOT easier to quit kratom than methadone or bupe!

- People buying kratom don't enrich illegal - and legal - providers of opiates.

- Thousands upon thousands of folks, including myself, use the plant reasonably to alleviate depressives feelings and increase their quality of life. Who the fuck has the right to tell me that this plant is more harmful to me and other depressed person than zoloft or stinking paxils?? Not only is kratom TRULY effective for us, it is also much less toxic to the brain and body than the fucking SSRIs and MAOIs. Moreover, pharmaceutical AD have much worse side-effects, and cause a more painful and protracted withdrawal syndrome than kratom upon cessation of treatment. It is about time we oppose the Big Pharma fuckers pushing their fucking poisons.

I could think of a few more reasons, but I'll stop for now before I get carried away by anger... !

April 10, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterFred

Great article David (yes, partly because your experience was very similar to mine), your professionalism is appreciated and sadly not the norm in our fast food info world.
I have been using Kratom for about a year now. Most days I eat about 6-8 grams of plain leaf around 4:00 PM. I have arthritic knees and since my job is physical they are usually screaming by then. Kratom has been a godsend to me as it has helped me avoid doctors, surgery and the (usually) bad advice I had been getting prior to finding this wonder plant. I think I am a much better husband and father when I can come home feeling energized and reasonably pain free.
I have stopped using Kratom for 2-3 days a couple of times in the last year with almost no withdrawal symptoms (except a bit lazy and aggravated by my screaming knees). I was expecting a lot worse based on all I had read so I was pleasantly surprised to have very mild withdrawal symptoms. maybe it is because I only use Kratom once a day.
Thanks again for a fair, accurate piece of journalism. I am afraid those who love and benefit from this plant are going to have a tough time convincing the genuises from leaving us the hell alone but articles like yours are very helpful.

Gene

April 10, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterGene

I am thrilled by your results but here are a couple of things I would strongly suggest: First point out you were wrong regarding your initial suspicions -- not to make you look like a jerk, but to point out how easy it is to be mislead by what's being printed out there about Kratom on a daily basis...Second -- Do it on FORBES! The explanation below your lead is more like an excuse. So you received samples from 3 different companies? So what? Leave that part out. Watch: "I recently received some samples from a number of online merchants" or "I recently had a chance to try several different strains of Kratom"....End of story!!!! let me put it this way: When people search for Kratom on Google, how many of them are going to see your misleading Forbes piece and how many will see this? EXACTLY. Do the right thing.

April 11, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterJed

Hi everyone and thanks for your comments.

Since I have been asked this question more than once -- "Why didn't I publish this article on Forbes?" -- please refer to the beginning of the piece for my explanation. It's really as simple as this: journalistic ethics require full disclosure, and that disclosure (in this case) includes that I accepted free samples from multiple companies. Because I am a paid journalist for Forbes, it is unethical to accept a form of payment (products) and then write an article about these products. In my opinion, this constitutes a clear conflict of interest. If it is your opinion that this is a grey area, all I can tell you is that it's not grey for me.

Note that the only product mentioned in my second Forbes article about Kratom was Lucky Kratom Capsules -- a product I purchased myself.

I am not paid to write here at The Daily Brain. I own this blog and derive no income from it. It is, therefore. the best place for this article given the circumstances.

Thanks again for reading.
David

April 11, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterDavid DiSalvo

Thank you. I suggest anyone reading to join our great little community on reddit

Reddit.c om/r/kratom

April 13, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterKratomUser

I have to admit that when I initially heard of your test I was a little concerned. The media lately seems to produce more and more sensationalistic pieces about the "New and Dangerous LEGAL DRUG That YOUR KIDS May Be Using!!!!!!"

Pleasantly, somewhat surprisingly, I found your write-up to be fair and reflective of the reality with which I'm familiar.

In the name of being honest and accurate I will point out, however: If you were a person who was particularly addiction prone, or had a history with opiate addiction, and you used kratom continually for some period--we'll say at least a week or two of daily usage-- you might find it slightly more disagreeable to abruptly stop usage.

However, any minor "withdrawal symptoms" are still better and easier to cope with than those of traditional opiates. Even the most mild, like codeine. Indeed, this is the reasons that many people addicted to pharmaceutical opiates, and even street drugs, have successfully used kratom to free themselves of their addiction.

It truly is a miracle leaf, for some. And it would be a serious shame for it to disappear amid a wave of propaganda, hype, and paranoia.

Take care.

April 14, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterAaron

David,

On behalf of the International Botanical Association, thank you for pursuing your investigative journalism from an ethical and unprejudiced standpoint. It is encouraging to see one explore significant issues that tend to fall victim to the detriments of the “mob mentality” of mainstream society. Judging by the comment thread in your most recent article, there are clearly parties who don’t hold Lucky Kratom with the highest level of opinion. As the owner of this company, I take great pride and respect in every product that I produce and distribute to the public. From contracting the best manufacturer to holding current GMP standards to the highest degree, we perform every step of the process conscientiously and use only the finest quality all-natural ingredients.

I have branded my business “Lucky Kratom” because this unique leaf not only saved my life from the detriments of an opiate addiction, but has also achieved similar feats in the lives of many others, from aiding in the relief of depression to increasing sexual stamina. Whether or not you believe all of the claims surrounding its benefits, I can personally attest to its wide array of valuable uses and potential for future clinical research. I was lucky to encounter this miraculous ethnobotanical and will continue to enlighten and spread awareness about its benefits and safety concerns to “experimenters” of Kratom in any form, regardless of whom they purchase from. As such, I have dedicated my life to this product, and have thus co-founded the International Botanical Association.

The International Botanical Association (IBA) is a group of like-minded individuals that share the same compassion and concern for the safeguarding of global health and beneficial plant species. The IBA holds precedence over our personal wealth ventures; as such, all of the members share the same mindset -- the pursuit of quality over a so-called “quick buck”. Our mission is not only to promote the awareness of the mental and physiological benefits of plants worldwide but also to foster sustainable methods of extraction that will increase preservation, mitigate the threats of industrialization, and yield numerous benefits for the countries in which Kratom is derived and distributed. Our core concerns are centered on quality control, responsible marketing, business ethics, positive environmental impact, and adherence to protocols (namely GMP, HACCP, etc.)

The IBA strives to create industry standards regarding the aforementioned core concerns that members of the IBA will adopt, uphold and disseminate to the ethnobotanical industry. Just as organizations were created to augment USDA food product claims and industry standards, the IBA endeavors to augment FDA standards via the eradication of consumer complaints and adverse marketing claims.

I won’t waste your time touting the IBA or Lucky Kratom, or alternatively, retaliating against competitors or naysayers. My hope is that you enjoy Kratom, in any form, by any brand, and fully explore its potential benefits. My vision is that through research, education, and political, media and public interest and awareness, Kratom and other stigmatized ethnobotanicals will achieve the same rights and recognition as plants having birthright status (e.g., Green Tea, tobacco, coffee).

Please contact me for any information you’d like regarding the IBA, Lucky Kratom, or Kratom in general. I’m looking forward to reading about the results of your personal evaluation!

David
Owner, Lucky Kratom

April 14, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterLucky

First off, Mr DiSalvo, this article is fantastic and i've been anxiously awaiting your results. Thank you so much for using fair journalism. The rest of this message is a response to the conversation about withdrawals posted in the comments. I started using kratom and had nothing but great effects. As i continued to use, i thought "this couldn't get any better, it's guilt free and doesnt innebriate me but allows me to deal with my arthritis, tendonitis, IBS, anxiety, and depression, a true cure-all." It was true, but because of that, I stopped thinking about it as something like a supplement or even "recreation" and began using it often as i possibly could, taking it upon waking and every couple hours from there, all day long, every day, for 9 months, usually equating to about 3/4-1 oz a day. that's a lot. i'm pretty level headed with drinking and smoking and other "substances", keeping them seldom or at least very moderate, but since i viewed it like something from the vegetable aisle, I over did it, and sure as hell i felt awful the days the mail didnt come on my lunch break, or god forbid i got none at all. I was usually using plain leaf, but i did use plenty of extracts on the weekends, which I'm learning has a different alkaloid make up (the stems and veins in the plain leaf contain antagonist alkaloids to help minimize tolerance and dependence.) once i realized i was dependent, i bit my lip, made a shitty face, and took the discomfort, sweats, insomnia, and aches for 3 days, then it was gone. i waited a few weeks to make sure i was in the clear and then began using it again, this time knowing it requires discipline and reverence. ever since i have taken plain leaf kratom 1-4 times a week, with days in between, and it's just as helpful as daily use w/o the withdrawals. It's not without some drawbacks, but coffee can screw your heart and give you ulcers, so this is definitely a substance worth studying and keeping legal, just with guidelines, education and age restrictions. oh, and even if you do get addicted, you still can't kill yourself with it. that's a HUGE difference between it and other euphoriants or opioids.

April 15, 2013 | Unregistered Commentermike

How do we reign in Big Pharma? What is our forum? They are the Pill Mafia and they have enough money to have purchased the souls of everyone at the FDA. Now what?

April 22, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterAnastacia

This journalist went well out of his way to portray Kratom in an honest light and I for one will spend my 2 cents in congratulating and thanking him for his efforts and time. Instead of posting our rants and emotional sewage about this Kratom that brand and whatever else.. I think we all need to step back and thank David for his truly honest review and article. Here is my personal thanks to David, a quote from the late Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, A trait that I think David lives up to with his journalism, Honesty and integrity above all else.. then the experience. Go David Go. (:

“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

April 22, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterShaun Hawkins

I've noticed a few misconceptions about kratom that have cropped up in this discussion that should really be cleared up.

Kratom's effects primarily result from a single chemical called 7-hydroxymitragynine (named for the plant's genus, Mitragyna). 7-hydroxymitragynine is a type of opioid, a class of chemicals that includes codeine, morphine, and heroin. These chemicals bind to and trigger opioid receptors that exist all throughout the human body but are mostly concentrated in the brain, spinal cord, and gut. Opioids cause sedation, slow breathing, block sensations of pain, elevate mood, and greatly slow intestinal muscle contractions.

7-hydroxymitragynine occurs in very low concentrations within kratom but is actually much stronger than morphine (7-hydroxymitragynine binds 17 times stronger than morphine to the mu opioid receptor). It is the very low concentration of 7-hydroxymitragynine that makes kratom safe compared to pharmaceutical and street opioids. Compared to opiates (opioids derived from the opium poppy, <I>Papaver somniferum</I>), Kratom is less euphoric and thus less addictive, it is a stronger painkiller, and its withdrawal syndrome is less severe, possibly making kratom ideal for medical use.

See: http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Kratom
http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_comparison
http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/7-hydroxymitragynine
http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom.shtml

April 24, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterFaust

''It is the very low concentration of 7-hydroxymitragynine that makes kratom safe compared to pharmaceutical and street opioids''

There are other factors explaining kratom's safety compared to standard opiates and opioids. Mytragynine & 7-hydroxymitragynine - and prolly other molecules in the kratom leaf - seem to bind as well to the other opioid receptors (delta mostly I think, but maybe also kappa), explaining the ''ceiling'' effect of kratom. Pure mu agonists have no such ceiling effect, and thus are more easily overdosed on than molecules binding to the other opioid receptors with greater affinity. Molecules binding to those other receptors are in fact dysphoric, and they modulate tolerance and addiction. Too much kratom makes you sick but NEVER kills you, and this is no exaggeration coming from a kratom enthusiast...

Tolerance and physical dependence may also be mitigated by NMDA antagonism activity of kratom alkaloids, according to some research.

In short, all the available evidence, and the experience of generations of Thais, Malays and other South-East Asians for thousands of fucking years tell us loud and clear that it would be socially, medically and humanely stupid to ban kratom for overly-conservative political reasons stemming from ignorance.

April 24, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterFred

Hi,

I have used Kratom and I agree that in low doses, such as your 3 grams, will provide a nice energy boost and mild relaxing effects.

You should try taking a 10-15 gram dose and report how it made you feel. In the higher doses, it is comparable to opiate pain killers and creates euphoria and analgesia.

This is not bad, this is a natural plant that can provide pain relief and mental therapy to those who wish to use it and not have to use some synthetic drug that have horrible side effects.

I would also stay away from any "Head Shop" Kratom products and find a source that sells "pure powder" or "Ultra Enhanced Pure Powder (Extract enhanced, pure powder.)" This is pure Kratom leaves ground to a micro fine powder and provides you with the "Full Spectrum" of alkaloids.

The stuff that is sold in head shops is very overpriced and weak.

April 25, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterThe Dude

''You should try taking a 10-15 gram dose and report how it made you feel. In the higher doses, it is comparable to opiate pain killers and creates euphoria and analgesia''

Did you try recreational doses of opiates before? The euphoria is NOT comparable to the energy/well-being provided by kratom. Doses of kratom that would be necessary to induce a true opioid euphoria cause a powerfully dysphoric nausea instead. With kratom, ''less is more'' and everybody has an optimal dose they can't really ignore. Kratom has a ceiling effect beyond which it is detrimental rather than beneficial, contrary to traditional opiates, and kratom never killed anybody, again contrary to traditional opiates. Opiate addicts may find the plant useful to alleviate symptoms of wd, or as a maintenance/substitution therapy, but they don't enjoy it nearly as much as traditional opiates as a recreational drug.

So, kratom is NOT comparable to traditional opiates, ESPECIALLY in high doses...

April 25, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterFred

Just read this article. Short and sweet, I was prescribed oxycodone by my oncologist to ease the pain of tumors/chemo/surgery. I was on it for about a year with my final dosage being close to 15mg every 4 hours. Trying to wean myself off oxy was a terrible experience. Kratom helped me get off those pills and get back to work. I am back to being a fully functioning member of society and I still take kratom every once in a while instead of coffee when I need a boost from lack of sleep.

April 27, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterNick

I been reading about kratom for months now and made my 1st purchase today. I have a theory, Is it possible that those who report withdrawals likened to opiate withdrawal have had an opiate addiction and hence have had a change in brain chemistry that makes this more likely to occur. Most of the reports from these people admit to be prior opiate addicts. Its my understanding that Kratom is not an opiate but acts on the MU opiate receptor amongst others. Being a prior opiate addict and stimulating this MU receptor could cause some sort of sensitivity to its activation. I'm no doctor, but like to study chemicals before using them. I am about to test my theory. I've had a long term (10 years) opiate addiction due to multiple spinal surgery's. I been off all meds for 5 months but am tired of being in pain all the time. Hopefully this experiment goes better then some of my others. I will try and report back.

April 28, 2013 | Unregistered Commenterkevin

"Doses of kratom that would be necessary to induce a true opioid euphoria cause a powerfully dysphoric nausea instead. With kratom, ''less is more'' and everybody has an optimal dose they can't really ignore. Kratom has a ceiling effect beyond which it is detrimental rather than beneficial.."

Hear, hear, exactly right, which is why this substance will probably never appeal to the "kids" as every grandstanding smarmy Politicians like to bloviate about, and use as an excuse to limit my freedom to chose what I wish to put in my body. In my experience, kratom is extremely subtle--yes it can be addictive, but getting off it is uncomfortable to be sure, but eminently liveable. For pain, anxiety, insomnia, I find it a safe and viable alternative to prescription drugs (which new "feel good" laws are increasingly limiting most people's access to btw.) It is preposterous that political hacks are trying to throw kratom in with the "bath salt" hysteria.

May 3, 2013 | Unregistered CommenterHelen Krump

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